Why is it that women think nothing of excluding men, yet feel wronged when men exclude them?

Women find it perfectly ok to alert men that they don't like to be bothered with men trying to start conversations with them in public. That they don't like the overall awkwardness of having men around when they are working out at the gym. That they don't want (what they deem unattractive) men asking them on dates at work. Etc.. etc.. . However, when men tell women the same things, suddenly men are doing something that is untactful, inconsiderate and out of line. When men don't want women around when we hang out, and we respond coldly when women try to interrupt- we're being inconsiderate and unreasonable for not allowing women to share the fun. When we like to have our own ';guys'; groups or cliques we're ' gender discriminating'. When a woman at work, at school or the club keeps trying to talk to us- if we were to give one word answers or simply walk away it'd be considered as us acting aloof and over the top.





--%26gt;However, when women do all these things, not only is it accepted, but the onus is on men to deal with it and accommodate women's 'right' to act this way, and to be fair-weathered as to how they deal with men (in that women want to take all the good, without any of the bad, and men should pick up the slack). You don't want to have to tolerate us, but you complain when we don't tolerate you. ..? It's cool for you to hang out with us or entertain casual conversation with us *only* when you want. Yet we should offer women the opportunity to join us anytime women want to? .. Heh heh, I don't think so.Why is it that women think nothing of excluding men, yet feel wronged when men exclude them?
Totally agree and don't understand it either, Just like Dell's quote about why women are so uptight in D.C. Cab.%26gt;_%26lt;Why is it that women think nothing of excluding men, yet feel wronged when men exclude them?
back when i thought i wanted to be a feminist.....i noticed double standards like this too. i decided to go back to my old ways and treat women how i see fit, because they don't want to be equal, they want to be greater. maybe it is their way of having affirmative action. i
Its very sad that many women have been brainwashed into thinking they are always the victim, even when they are being sexist.
I completely agree with you on this one because I noticed and question the same thing.


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A presumable side-effect of feminism, I have observed this as well.





Some women undoubtedly feel that society should bend to alleviate their every discomfort from perceived sexism.
How out of whack things are is a true testiment of the power of feminism (women's lib).





The core empowerment of feminism has always been hatred of men. They say it's equality, how double standards means equality is only rationalized by women that buy into feminism.





Men's organizations and interests were deemed bias, discrimination and anti-women. So how did we come to a place where there's more women's organizations than anyone can count? Countless Government programs for women, Job sites for women only, double-standards in the courts and justice system, etc.





Everything that feminism was supposed to stand against appears to be, what feminism stands for.





I'm sure most women would say, NO it's not like that.
At the risk of sounding non-PC, it's the gheto mentality.- 'You exclude me, you're racist, sexist, etc..etc. I snub you, it's pay back for your kind discriminating against my kind.'
I think the entire problem lies with us as men for buying into the line of BS of women being equal to men. Men and women are not equal-- being the same-- we are very different in the way we think. Is one mode of thinking better than the other-- quite possibly-- but we should treat women with respect and not demean them for being different, for being irrational and illogical, and for being controlled by their emotions.





Now this does not mean that we should prostrate ourselves in front of women and give into every single one of their selfish desires, but we should put a limit to what we let them get away with. That means no more destruction of our society-- which previously worked very well-- no more of that PC crap, no more of giving into their feminist drivel, no more of letting them penalize men for being men, for being, only in certain ways, but definitely not all, far superior to women, i.e., men have a certain set of strengths that women cannot compete against, just as men can't compete with women in their areas of strength like child care, empathy, etc.





Of course, I don't want women to feel they are being patronized or belittled, so I posit that women are better than men at other things, like dealing with people and multitasking, but unfortunately women seem to see the strengths of men as being something they should covet and try to acquire, and only do harm to society as a whole. We need to be strong men and tell these banshees that enough is enough and we won't tolerate their selfish and childish behavior any longer.
Our society has double standards unfortunately.


This has to stop.





Either men only gyms %26amp; hospitals should be allowed or gender-specific 'things' such as hospitals and gyms should be disallowed. Until the day that I see feminists fight for getting rid of 'all' single gender 'things' out there, I will not believe they (feminists) are looking for equality only. In Canada, we even have a government branch called 'Status of Women Canada'
Rudeness is never okay. I suppose the only thing I can say is that often men don't often want to join a group of women. It's different to when a man hits on you at the gym - you feel vulnerable. Polite chitchat is always acceptable. Over keen sexual interest isn't always welcome.


Perhaps the answer is to be more sociably experienced, so that you can pick up and understand these finer points of relationships.


If you want to be rude - that is up to you. There's no law against it.
I don't think this is true and maybe you are a little biased because you are a guy. Most people are a little biased with these more *social* things. I wouldn't get offended if a guy said a lot of the things you mentioned, and if a guy rejected my approaching him at a club, I think I'm too nervous of a person to push it or speak of him like he's the bad person. But that's me personally. I don't think many girls feel or act the way you described, sorry. Some of my girl friends want to be around their boyfriend all the time and not want him to hang out alone with his buddies often, but not all of us.. that does not offend me.
I have no idea what you're talking about-maybe you need to hang out with feminists instead of anti and non-feminists, or just hang out with mature adults, as I could care less if guys don't want women around and say so. As a matter of fact, I encourage my bf to go to all-male events and belong to all-male groups so he has his own friends. If you're a mature adult, you realize many people need bonding time with their own gender. It sounds like quite a few of you are around very immature ppl.
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you have a point, sir.





but consider this a backlash for years of overt and completely one-sided discrimination.





when a group of people have been wronged/oppressed in some way, they'll often swing in the completely opposite direction to accommodate for their feelings of oppression. this isn't balanced nor is it the best for all parties involved, but that's just the way it is. only time will heal it.





it will take a new generation of women with no memories of overt social inequality (thanks to the efforts of their over-compensating mothers, natch) to set things straight.